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  1. First sickle is the Rapture of Christian believers, the 2nd sickle is God’s wrath

    First sickle is the Rapture of Christian believers, the 2nd sickle is God’s wrath
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    s Jesus’ Coming for his church and bride at Pre tribulation, Mid, or post tribulation Rapture?

    The timing of the rapture, the truth concerning Rapture, the main debates about Rapture’s timing

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    To nonbelievers reading this subject has to do with one of the promises that believers in Jesus Christ have been given providing those believers are ready when this event occurs.

    This event has to do with being caught up supernaturally in the skies with the Lord, before God pours out his wrath upon those who have rejected Jesus Christ and accepted the false messiah also known as the Antichrist. The main focus of the debate that surrounds the event called Rapture is not if it will happen, but when. The information that follows below has to do with this debate. Please understand that this particular document is not entry-level instruction for this subject. It’s written to those who already have a good basic understanding of this event and the debate that surrounds it. I hope you will read it anyway. Do not divide the Lord’s Church over this rapture issue and remember the grace and the shed Blood of Jesus Christ alone saves us. This so no flesh could boast before God, not that anyone could ever merited any right to do so. Brothers and sisters love one another as you debate or discuss this subject and blessed hope.

    Does the Rapture of the Church occur Pre, Mid, or post Tribulation.

    The following questions are asked to determine whether or not you accept the authority of the Word of God. Since God is not a God of confusion, there must be a correct interpretation to the (approximate) time of this event. Following will be numerous questions related to this event. After you have answered these questions review these scriptures, footnotes, and statements so you may determine if you answer is correct within the Word of God.

    QUESTION 1. (READ: 1st Corinthians 15:51-56 before answering.)

    Since this scripture is speaking on one of the mysteries of God (Rapture) and Paul says it will occur at the last trumpet. Where and when does this trumpet occur in the book of Revelation?

    NOTICE: Paul doesn’t say first, second, or third trumpet, but last, which is the seventh.

    Before you answer Question 1. read the below scriptures from Revelation. Pay special attention to the following key words while reading these scriptures. The key words are LAST TRUMPET and MYSTERY. Remember, in the book of Revelation the last trumpet is the seventh.

    (Revelation 10:5-7) * (Revelation 11:15-16) * (Revelation 14:12-16)

    QUESTION 2.

    Where in relation to Revelation’s trumpet call is the last trumpet blown? (seventh trumpet) And how far into the tribulation does the blowing of the seventh trumpet occur?

    QUESTION 3.

    Is this last trumpet, which Paul was speaking of, in 1st Corinthians the last trumpet described in Revelation? (Rememeber: The last trumpet in the book of Revelation is the seventh.) If you do not agree what then did Paul mean by last trumpet, especially since we agree that this event called “Rapture” occurs at the end of the church age. If you do not agree that the last trumpet Apostle Paul spoke of is the same last trumpet as is spoken of in the book of Revelation, then why did Paul associate the term last trumpet as a description for defining a period of time when rapture is to occur? If you’re not in agreement then what last trumpet is Paul talking about if it’s not the last trumpet of the trumpet call of Revelation?

    Lets take a deeper look at this mystery from scripture with much more detail then we will go from there. Holy Spirit in the mighty name of Jesus Christ I ask for your Wisdom and for wisdom and understanding to be given to your children who are called of you to understand this difficult subject.

    1 Cor 15:51-57

    51 Lo ! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Commentary note on: 1 Cor 15: 51-52

    In verse 51 and 52 above we see the words Mystery, Last Trump and the word raised. Paul obviously is talking about a resurrection of believers here, otherwise he would not have used the word RAISED in respect to the dead. He is also talking about the end of the church age. With those things in mind lets look at God’s Word some more.

    Revelation 10:5-7

    And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And swore by him that lives for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be no more delay 7 But in the days of the trump of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he has declared to his servants the prophets.

    Commentary on Rev 10:7

    Now here in Revelation 10 verse 7 we see the Word “Mystery” and the promise that when the seventh angel sounds his trumpet the Mystery of God would be fulfilled. We know the 7th angel in Revelation is the same one who blows the 7th trump. Here in Revelation 10:7 is only the promise, the angel is not sounding it here. Now lets look further into the Word of God.

    Revelation 11:15-18

    And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give you thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which is, and was, and are to come; because you have taken to thee your great power, and has begun to reign. 18 And the nations were angry, and your wrath has come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear your name, small and great; and that you should destroy them which destroy the earth.

    Now in the scripture above we have the 7th Angel sounding his trumpet. Notice that it says in verse 18; “your wrath has come” speaking of God’s wrath and also “the time of the dead that they should be judged.” We know these are believers because it says the servants, the prophets and the saints. Also rewards are spoken about. You only give rewards to children in the kingdom. This is the resurrection Paul is talking about in 1st Corinthians. It occurs at the blowing of the Last trump, which is blown by the 7th angel. We also know these are believers in Jesus because the white thrown judgment resurrection for the rest of the dead, does not occur until Revelation 20.

    One additional note on God’s wrath, notice from Revelation 11:15-18 above that until this scripture God’s wrath has not yet come. The time that it has come is announced in this scripture. All events that have occurred before this scripture are judgments and tribulations from God, but it is not his wrath. Let us continue with this scripture below.

    Revelation 14:13-20

    13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yes, says the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them. 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, (Insert: Rapture starts here ) Thrust in your sickle, and reap: for the time is come for you to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

    (Insert: God’s Wrath starts here after church is removed ) 17 and another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in your sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

    First sickle is the Rapture of Christian believers, the 2nd sickle is God’s wrath

    Now this is where Rapture actually takes place, Rev 14:14-16 is the Rapture. This is the 1st sickle where Jesus comes and takes his Church out of the world and out of his impending wrath. Notice the word Harvest is used, Jesus also uses the word Harvest when explaining the tares and the wheat in Matthew. Now the next sickle (2nd Sickle) starts in 14:17-20, this is a wrath sickle. The 1st sickle is a Harvest sickle (Rapture). Be sure not to confuse these two sickles. Once again the 1st sickle in Revelation 14:14-16 is the Rapture. The second sickle in Revelation 14:17-20 is a wrath sickle. The Bowl judgments begin right after this second sickle in chapter 14:17-20. As Jesus promised and Apostle Paul spoke, Jesus delivers us out of his wrath. Exactly as Paul was instructed and wrote to us by the power of the Holy Spirit.

    I would like to point out one more thing to all reading, Jesus said in Mark Chapter 13 that the church age generation shall not pass away until all these things take place. What things? All the things he spoke of in Chapter 13. In Mark 13:37 Jesus also said this. “And what I say to you I say to all: Watch.” Jesus said for ALL to WATCH. He was speaking to his disciples and to us, Watch for what? Everything he spoke that would happen in Mark Chapter 13. Note Jesus did not say what I say to you I say to all, except for those who will be raptured before any of these things happen.

    Jesus also talks about the tares (nonbelievers) and the wheat (believers). Jesus makes it clear they grow together until his coming. Jesus’ coming and rapture are in fact the same event. Here are a couple of those scriptures.

    Matthew 13:29

    But he said, No; lest while you gather up the tares, you root up also the wheat with them. Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, You gather together first the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

    Commentary on Matthew 13:29

    Notice Jesus says to the reapers to gather first the tares (nonbelievers) and bind them into bundles to be burned. Jesus does not command them to be burned at that very moment but rather be bound and gathered first for a future time that he will destroy them. This binding and separation will occur during the time of the Antichrist. Those who take the buying and selling mark of the antichrist will be bound and separated, to be burned after the church has been raptured.

    Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

    1 Thessalonians 4:16,17

    “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.”

    First, Please note that in both passages, a trumpet sounds before the dead are raised to life.

    Now although this may seem quite simple, it is very important to observe this very simple commonality, because we’re about to compare these two passages to another passage that contains Christ’s own description of His second coming. Here it is:

    Matthew 24:30

    “Then the Sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming of the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with the sound of a great trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

    So in Christ’s own words, at His second coming a “great trumpet” will be sounded, after which His elect will be gathered together, “from one end of heaven to the other”.

    This is exactly the same event that is described in the first two passages. In all three, a trumpet is sounded, and in all three, the ‘elect’, or believers, both dead and alive, are gathered to Christ.

    To my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, Fear Not. Jesus promised to never forsake you, or leave you. He will provide protection during these times. Trust Him. Trust His Word. I have shown you the truth from Jesus’ Word. This is why I do not accept pre tribulation rapture, but rather pre-wrath.

  2. Yeah. God wants you to chop up His Bible, rip its verses from their original contexts, and reassemble it so that it reads like a William Burroughs novel. That’s a “literal” interpretation is it?

    Oh, and the Bible also refers to anti-christs – plural – more than one. I guess the Devil’s fielding a baseball team or something. Then again, if he is, it’s only because the Adversary works for God (doing his will), so I guess he ought not be opposed, eh? Don’t want to gum up the Apocalypse, now do we?

    You don’t want wind up your days in a shanty-town, wearing a shit-filled Depends all because you stopped the Antichrist from getting us universal health care, living wages, and Middle East peace, thereby delaying the Rapture till the next Millennium, do you?


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